Entreprenurialism, Investing & Network Marketing
27 Mar
It’s funny, looking back, how some things lead you to where you are right now.
And for me, Phil Town is kinda like that.
I wonder if you have any experiences like that. I’ll let you in on one of mine so you know what I mean.
As Marie and I were wrapping up selling our houses in Toronto, we popped into Chapters one day. (Chapters is the Canadian version of Barnes & Noble.) And I remember I bought Seth Godin’s new book, All Marketers Are Liars. (Which by the way is about how to tell authentic stories.)
And as we were leaving, I kept getting drawn back to a white book with a big blue title across the whole page. Now the reason this was strange was that I had never bought a new book on investing in stocks — and I had never read one of the used ones I had picked up previously. And I kept putting it down, then circling back to it, reading a bit more, and repeating.
Needless to say, I bought the book and it started a whole new path in my life.
And the book was Rule 1 by Phil Town.
It was one of those books that I both savoured and devoured simultaneously. Really, really great book.
And 6 months later, I saw Phil Town live…. but that’s another story.
So Rule 1 promises to show you how to an annualized compounded 15% return by spending only 15 minutes a day. That’s the premise. And it delivers. And from what I’ve learned since, it has been the perfect starting point. And hey, if you’re going to be successful you’ll absolutely NEED to learn how to invest your money at some point in the game. There’s simply no way around it. It’s one of those skills that everyone needs and few people choose to develop.
Now the math scared me a little bit. He talks in the book about doubling numbers in your head as he goes through examples. Yeah right. That was my only hangup, but I chose to pay for a service that gives me clear information rather using the free sites like MSN Finance that he talks about in his book.
As you may or may not know, Marie and I are really great learners. When we want to learn something, we know how to find and learn the information. We dig into it obsessively and passionately, and we quickly put it into practice so we internalize the information. (Right there is a big key to being successful as the economy changes moving forward.)
You need to be careful who you get information from. Especially on the internet, there are lots of people who give information and advice without really knowing what they are talking about. And you need to read between the lines to see if you should trust their advice or leave it. This is why Amazon allows all users to easily RATE if a reviewers comments are useful or not. But many people are highly skeptical of things like 15% returns, and you need to be aware that given the proper education, it is achieveable. In fact, you could do even better than that. I know this is kind of a long point, but be very careful taking advice from people who are only giving an opinion OR have said they have “tried” something. If you’re going to be successful in anything there is a whole lot more than try.
If you think you can read Rule 1 by Phil Town, and stop there, you’re chances of success are slim.
But if you are an active learner, then this is a wonderful place to start.
By the way, see if you can read through the comments over at Amazon and see if you can pick out some people who you should listen to and some people who you should not. It will help you make these distinction quicker in the future.
That’s all for now!
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18 Responses for "Rule 1 By Phil Town Review"
Hi, i’ve just got the book and am following it now, aswell as the Mary Buffett books. However you say:
If you think you can read Rule 1 by Phil Town, and stop there, you’re chances of success are slim…
What would you advise for further education then? Any books or sites which are useful?
M
Hi M.
I really find the portfolio tool at http://www.smartmoney.com helpful.
I’m actually in plans to create my own stock training course. But for quick advice:
1) don’t expect an automated system.
2) buy with limit orders and don’t worry if you miss it, it’ll come back
3) use strict stop losses. 2% per trade at risk max.
This is something I did not learn at first. It’s boring, it’s not fun, but have stop losses on and let yourself be taken out.
And know what kind of trade you are making – ie long term, swing. It’s easiest for me to mentally keep 2 parts of my portfolio and seperate those 2 types. Because it will mix your thinking. Watch out for fear and greed.
I have a stock newsletter list i give tips out to infrequently. You can subscribe free (in beta) at stockinfo@aweber.com. Just send an email there and confirm.
Cool, thanks.
So in terms of ‘further’ progress, are these [you mention] different approaches to trading than that of say Town/Buffett and their value investing way?I suppose my interest was peaked by the Mary Buffett books and the way that Buffett etal deal with the ‘speculative’ realm…however before this my knowledge of investing was minimal to say the least
I guess I am presuming that the Buffett way is the more stable of ways to make some money [serious or slight] on the stocks.M
Thanks for the further info, Andrew. I find myself wising Town had just put in more formulas instead of talking his way through the math. Mind you, that’s likely the publisher’s doing.
I just started sorting out companies last night and looking at the numbers. Finding the 10-year ROIC is a hurdle I haven’t crossed yet, for instance. And there are parts that could have been clearer – like saying that the Future EPS Growth Rate is the historical Equity Growth Rate. Great. The average Growth Rate or the most recent one? I’ve been averaging them, but when looking at a company like Amazon, the numbers are high, but too diverse to give the average any meaning, causing me to rely on the analyst’s figure alone.
Phil is recommending investools, but at $200+ per month, there’s a Catch 22 there. You’d better already understand things and be making at least a thousand a month to make that pay off.
At any rate, if you have any other tips, I (and I’m sure M) would really appreciate your input.
Thank you!
Yep, it’s very frustrating to be following along and understanding what he says, then only to find to calculate the growth eps rates you need to make a calculation of obscure numbers from the cash flow which ‘unless’ you already know how, is simply impossible to do…which also begs the question if I could already understand the process of calculating the eps growth rate then why would I buy his book? Hence the old dilemma of selling to those who don’t know any different! This has put me totally off the book, and haven’t picked it up since.
That’s too bad. What he says makes a lot of sense, but it could be much better if he took a little more care explain things.
I just got to the point where I could start going through some numbers last night, and compared to attempts at other learning experiences, it’s going pretty good. Frustration is par for the course, I think.
Hopefully Andrew can shed some light on things, but once I get this stuff figured out, I promise to come back and explain what I did it. (Mind you, that will be when I am confident enough with the material and make money on paper trades at least.)
So what page are you on? Or what page are you currently working through? I presume you are doing this without ‘spending’ money? I.e looking at msn, yahoo finance etc? I’m happy to work through this with you if you want…I was struggling to get it to flow!
Hi M,
I am not using real or even imaginary money yet. I got to page 239 and left in excitement to try my own calculations of companies I liked. I think the thing that I really have to work though first is the 10 year ROIC and the 10 year cash figures. Too often with new things I get caught up in not grasping immediately. I can’t say that I relish digging through the annual reports to get the figures, but that”s more appealing than spending $220 a month for investools.
I have a flow chart I created to work through this, but after doing a few calculations, I see it needs some revisions. I can post it on Scripd when it’s finalized, if you like.
And, yes, I would be happy to work though this with you, too, so that we can nail this down. This thread might also serve as a guide for others, as well.
Personally, I use and love Investools. (I was introduced to it from Phil Town at a seminar he did in Halifax with Tony Robbins.
And I’m sure he gets a hefty commission from Investools.
But stock investing is definitely not as easy as a couple of calculations. There are many ways to look at valuation, but I don’t think it’s realistic to think you should be calculating these figures manually and expect to uncover a hidden gem that Wall St. has not capitalized on.
I have found Alexander Elders books extremely helpful – especially “Come Into My Trading Room”
But I guess the point is, there is no magic bullet. Phil’s book is not it – although I found it very helpful as my introduction to the stock market.
Thank you, Andrew. Investools looks great. I don’t think that M or I should be using it yet as we’ll be breaking Rule #1 (i.e. losing money). When I figure out what the heck I’m doing and make money to pay for the service, then I’ll use it.
And you are right that Phil Town gets a hefty fee. He himself discloses that he gets $10,000 and up for Investools seminars. Nice work if you can get it.
Anyway, you’ve given us something to work from. I’ll check out the Alexander Elders books and hope to see some light.
A great site that has alot of this kind of information for free is http://www.smartmoney.com
I use it all the time.
Hope that helps.
I also wanted to point out that there are 2 very different types of investors. Long-term position investors, like Buffet, or Phil Town — and shorter-term traders.
What I like about shorter-term is that you have stop-losses in place to protect your capital.
With a longer term view, you can start seeing a stock go down, and then lose faith – start to question yourself and sell. I hate being stuck in a position I can’t really get out of.
But it totally depends on your personality. Make sure you trade in line with your personality.
Thank you for the suggestion, Andrew. I’ll dig through the site. I have much to learn!
I’m not sure I have the fingers for day trading: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16396-finger-length-may-reveal-your-financial-acumen.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
Yes, DayTrading is not my style personally. I am more of a swing trader who sometimes does a bit longer duration trades. The main problem is buy-and-hold investors WILL get killed in a volatile market. It just doesn’t work UNLESS you have as much conviction as Warren Buffett in your stock picks – which is incredibly rare. And I certainly don’t have nerves of steel like that.
The secret is risk management. Yes, boring, I know. But that is the one skill that will prevent you from losing money.
I attended a Get Motivated seminar yesterday. I signed up for Phil Town’s seminar next month for $99. Can anyone tell me what it will cost to 1) learn his system and, 2) pay for access to his software? Also, the “examples” he presented at the seminar all resulted in positive gains except for one. I wonder what the percentage is of successful trades using his system over time? Can anyone share their experience with me?
Thanks.
D
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I read Phil Town’s book last year, and started doing paper trading that fall (without the charts, just based on the company). In paper trades, I would have made 50% in less than 6 months.
This got me seriously thinking, so I finished opening my account and transferred $5000. At first I found it very nerve racking when stocks would move. I would get excstatic when they moved up, and so down when they took a dip.
I then read an online book which taught me to curb my “fear and greed”. This was another vital lesson. Definately critical. I started to stop my losses and capture my gains following the carts (although I have tweaked the level where I buy- for MACD instead of buying when it crosses the line, i buy when it moves a step in a different direction). I use http://www.stockcharts.com (it’s free!) to analyse for MACD and the other indicators. I have learned to be happy with my small gains.
To do this, you must have a discount broker that chages minimal amounts for trades.
Since learning how to conquer fear and greed, I have made 12% in 2 months. We will see how it goes… so far I’m happy.
Great job Robin. Thanks for the tip on stockcharts.com.
Fear and Greed is the real thing you need to learn about investing. And everyone loses money while they learn it. Stay in the game and good luck!
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